Do you sepak Globish http://bit.ly/b2SfcB or English? If you do speak Globish, is that good enough for you, or do you want to speak more correctly?
"Globish" is an approximate English, not correct English. Is it good enough? If you can communicate most of the time in "Globish" is that sufficient for you?
I was not able to post a comment on http://the-original-real-english.blogspot.com/2010/07/globish-or-english.htm l, therefore, I am sending my comment to you.
Many people think that Globish (as defined by Nerrière) is incorrect English. In 'Globish the world over' (ISBN: 978-2-212-54323-0), Nerrière wrote, "Globish is correct English..."
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I read the Newsweek article again. Yes, McCrum states that he uses the term 'Globish' in a different way to Nerrière ("For Nerrière, Globish was a kind of linguistic tool... As I saw it, however, “Globish” was the newly globalized lingua franca..."). I apologise for my error.
I think there's a difference between Globish and 'Basic English', the latter being a construct and the former being an evolutionary consequence of having people of many backgrounds attempting to speak the same language. No-one has tried to make Globish a global language, it just developed into the de facto language for communication between people of different cultures.
From my understanding, with Globish there is no correct way of saying something, the aim is to make yourself understood. If, by using a certain word, a person doesn't understand you, you'd naturally rephrase the sentence. Over time, one or two dominant forms of communicating a certain meaning will emerge, and these become the 'standard'.
@Shafiq - What you write makes a lot of sense. Old-timers in ESL and EFL like myself will probably have a hard time adapting! I say that somewhat facetiously, since I am very used to "bad English" which I do NOT correct or question if I think I understand it.
Shafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
Shafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
Shafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
Shafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
From Dr Mike Unwalla "I tried to post a comment on http://the-original-real-english.blogspot.com/2010/07/whats-wrong-with-this- blog.html#comment-form, but I get the same problem as before.
I agree with Nerrière that 1500 words is not 'perfect', in the sense that you lose nuances. Some grammatical constructions are clumsy. For example, Nerrière suggests, 'the son of my brother' instead of 'nephew'. However, 'the son of my brother' is correct English.
Nerrière wants people to speak grammatically correct English. However, to communicate effectively, correct English is not always necessary. Communication with incorrect English is better than no communication.
Nerrière writes: It is very important, on the other hand, to speak correct English. Correct English means using common English words in sentences that have reasonably good meanings. Of course, everyone makes mistakes now and then, but a good goal is to say things in a correct way using simple words.
In addition to the basic 1500 words, Nerrière explains that you can increase the vocabulary to approximately 4000 words, for example, by adding prefixes or suffixes. Additionally, you need the technical vocabulary of the particular subject about which you talk."
I was not able to post a comment on
ReplyDeletehttp://the-original-real-english.blogspot.com/2010/07/globish-or-english.htm
l, therefore, I am sending my comment to you.
Many people think that Globish (as defined by Nerrière) is incorrect
English. In 'Globish the world over' (ISBN: 978-2-212-54323-0), Nerrière
wrote, "Globish is correct English..."
Best regards,
Mike
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Principal Technical Writer
TechScribe
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Sheffield
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Hi Mike - Now I understand, thanks to your link.
ReplyDeleteThe Newsweek article which I referred to in my post -
http://bit.ly/b2SfcB
was written by a person like me who had never visited www.globish.com !
They use the term in completely different ways.
Another message from Mike Unwalla
ReplyDelete"Hi Michael,
I read the Newsweek article again. Yes, McCrum states that he uses the term
'Globish' in a different way to Nerrière ("For Nerrière, Globish was a kind
of linguistic tool... As I saw it, however, “Globish” was the newly
globalized lingua franca..."). I apologise for my error.
[Please put my apology on your blog. Thank you.]
Regards,
Mike"
I think there's a difference between Globish and 'Basic English', the latter being a construct and the former being an evolutionary consequence of having people of many backgrounds attempting to speak the same language. No-one has tried to make Globish a global language, it just developed into the de facto language for communication between people of different cultures.
ReplyDeleteFrom my understanding, with Globish there is no correct way of saying something, the aim is to make yourself understood. If, by using a certain word, a person doesn't understand you, you'd naturally rephrase the sentence. Over time, one or two dominant forms of communicating a certain meaning will emerge, and these become the 'standard'.
@Shafiq - What you write makes a lot of sense. Old-timers in ESL and EFL like myself will probably have a hard time adapting!
ReplyDeleteI say that somewhat facetiously, since I am very used to "bad English" which I do NOT correct or question if I think I understand it.
Shafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
ReplyDeleteShafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
ReplyDeleteShafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
ReplyDeleteShafiq - What you say makes a lot of sense, but old timers in EFL / ESL like myself might have a hard time adapting. I say that somewhat facetiously since I am used to hearing "bad English" from students and others, and rarely question it if I can understand the meaning.
ReplyDeleteFrom Dr Mike Unwalla
ReplyDelete"I tried to post a comment on
http://the-original-real-english.blogspot.com/2010/07/whats-wrong-with-this-
blog.html#comment-form, but I get the same problem as before.
I agree with Nerrière that 1500 words is not 'perfect', in the sense that
you lose nuances. Some grammatical constructions are clumsy. For example,
Nerrière suggests, 'the son of my brother' instead of 'nephew'. However,
'the son of my brother' is correct English.
Nerrière wants people to speak grammatically correct English. However, to
communicate effectively, correct English is not always necessary.
Communication with incorrect English is better than no communication.
Nerrière writes:
It is very important, on the other hand, to speak correct English. Correct
English means using common English words in sentences that have reasonably
good meanings. Of course, everyone makes mistakes now and then, but a good
goal is to say things in a correct way using simple words.
In addition to the basic 1500 words, Nerrière explains that you can increase
the vocabulary to approximately 4000 words, for example, by adding prefixes
or suffixes. Additionally, you need the technical vocabulary of the
particular subject about which you talk."
English is key to success and we must learn it as soon as possible to survive
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